What to Remember When It's Going Well—And When It's Going Poorly (with Ray Ortlund)

What to Remember When It's Going Well—And When It's Going Poorly (with Ray Ortlund)

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In this conversation, Jonathan Leeman chats with Ray Ortlund about what pastors need to remember when things are going well, what they need to remember when things are going poorly, and how he stays so “stinkin’ joyful.”

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